Your email is not valid
Recipient's email is not valid
Submit Close

Your email has been sent.

Click here to send another

Why Romney Won’t Strike Iran

The three factors that explain why a Republican president is no more likely to stage a pre-emptive attack

Print Email
Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan and presidential candidate Mitt Romney at a campaign event on Aug. 12, 2012, in Waukesha, Wisc. (Darren Hauck/Getty Images)

Republican foreign-policy circles have hailed Mitt Romney’s choice of Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan as his running-mate, noting that he believes in free trade, a strong defense, and is thinking seriously about China. Moreover, unlike the current resident of the White House, Ryan is an unabashed advocate of American exceptionalism. “A world without U.S. leadership will be a more chaotic place,” Ryan said in a speech delivered to the Alexander Hamilton Society last June. “A place where we have less influence, and a place where our citizens face more dangers and fewer opportunities. Take a moment and imagine a world led by China and Russia.”

But let’s ask a practical question: How does Ryan’s selection affect Romney’s calculation in what is if not the most important foreign-policy issue for an American president, certainly the most pressing—the decision to use military force against Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities?

The answer: It doesn’t.

During Romney’s trip to Israel last month, campaign adviser Dan Senor said: “If Israel has to take action on its own, in order to stop Iran from developing that capability, the governor would respect that decision.” But that’s an important hedge, and it throws into sharp relief the real truth: A Republican president is no more likely than a Democrat to stage a pre-emptive attack on Iran, and American support for an Israeli attack is the very best that Israeli leaders can hope to expect from the White House, regardless of which party inhabits it.

The explanation is based on three interrelated factors: domestic American politics, Washington’s history with the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the U.S. record of containing and deterring nuclear powers.

Domestic politics. Bush did not attack Iran because he was already waging war in two Middle Eastern theaters and did not want to go down in the history books as the president who only waged wars on Muslims. Barack Obama has not attacked Iran in his first term and is highly unlikely to do so in his second term because his Middle East policy is one of extrication from the region, not further military involvement. Correctly or not, the Obama White House suspects that an attack on Iran will not only eventually entail landing ground troops but will also further inflame the Muslim world against America, and Obama is the president of outreach to the Muslim world.

Romney’s internal conversation with himself will look something like a combination of his two predecessors’: He doesn’t want to further burden the economy by destabilizing the Middle East and sending oil prices skyrocketing, and he doesn’t want to be tagged as a war-mongering Republican who bombed Iran only a few months after moving into his new digs. Like every other man who takes the job, Romney wants a second term, and if he gets it, then there’s going to be another reason not to do it.

History’s lessons. The record shows that there is always a reason for American presidents of both parties to look the other way when Iran is up to no good. No American president has ever drawn red lines for Tehran and enforced them by showing that transgressions are swiftly and severely punished.

It’s true that it was a Democrat, Jimmy Carter, who sat by idly when Ayatollah Khomeini and the founders of the Islamic Republic stormed the U.S. embassy and held Americans hostage for 444 days. But GOP hero Ronald Reagan provided the Iranians with arms—after the Islamic Republic’s Lebanese asset, Hezbollah, killed 241 U.S. Marines in the 1983 bombing of their barracks at the Beirut airport. When the FBI said Tehran was responsible for the 1996 bombing of Khobar Towers, Bill Clinton failed to respond or even name Iran, lest it derail the “dialogue of civilizations” promised by the newly elected reform-minded president Muhammad Khatami. And the last Republican in the White House was no more proactive in countering Iran’s actual attacks on Americans: The more than 100,000 American servicemen and -women that Bush had dispatched to Iraq were targeted by the IRGC and their local allies, a fact that U.S. officials tended to obscure and did little to change when they did acknowledge it.

The current administration, unsurprisingly, hardly broke this mold. After the Obama White House revealed the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps plot against the Saudi ambassador in Washington, it exacted no price from Iran for planning an operation in the American capital that might have cost the lives of hundreds of American citizens.

General nuclear deterrence. If you can kill Americans without any consequences and the Americans will in fact collaborate in covering up your malfeasance, you can certainly build a nuclear weapons facility without too much concern that the Americans are really keeping “all options on the table”; the White House is not and almost surely never will—no matter who’s calling the shots. Short of an American city suffering thousands of casualties in a nuclear attack that the Iranians boast of publicly, it is difficult to know what would compel a U.S. president to take military action against Iran.

Maybe U.S. policymakers just believe, in spite of what they say publicly, that Iran really isn’t that big a deal. Remember that even today, a number of American officials, civilian and military, cut their teeth on Cold War strategy, an era when the United States faced off against a real superpower. Washington and Moscow fought proxy wars against each other on four continents with the fear of an eventual nuclear exchange leading to mutually assured destruction looming in the background. Perhaps, if seen in this context, for American policymakers Iran just doesn’t rise to a genuine threat level.

The Obama Administration says its policy is not to deter and contain an Iranian nuclear weapons program but to prevent it. But that’s just what they’re saying. What they believe surely must be something else. If the United States was able to contain and deter the Soviets, we can certainly do the same with a crummy little third-world regime like Iran’s. Or perhaps American policymakers just see it like this: If we take military action against Iran, the likeliest scenario is a region-wide war and an Iranian terror campaign against the United States and its allies, especially Israel. If we do nothing, the worst-case scenario is that emboldened Iranian action leads to a region-wide war and global terror. Common sense tells you that if someone believes he will get the same results by doing nothing and doing something, then he will choose the path of least resistance, by doing nothing.

Surely by now Israeli leaders know that, given the various trend-lines of American policy toward Iran, no U.S. president is going to take military action against Iran. The most Israeli leaders can expect is for the White House to provide them with certain weapons and military hardware that might make the operation easier, and in the aftermath to provide plenty of diplomatic support.

Earlier this week, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey said of the Israelis: “They are living with an existential concern that we are not living with.” That’s an honest assessment, and so an honest conversation between allies could perhaps go like this: “It’s just not that big a deal to us, but if you guys feel you need to act, then go ahead. We’ll stand with you.” That seems to be what Senor was signaling when he said Romney as president would “respect” Israel’s decision.

If Israeli leaders really thought Romney was much more likely than Obama to bomb Iran, there wouldn’t be so much chatter now right now about how it’s become crunch time for Israel. Bibi Netanyahu would at least give Romney the benefit of a few months after the November elections. But the Israeli half of the conversation is no longer about pressuring their American allies. Rather, it seems to be preparing the Israeli public for an attack.

***

Like this article? Sign up for our Daily Digest to get Tablet Magazine’s new content in your inbox each morning.

Print Email
Saint_Etienne says:

This is a very cogently argued piece. I wonder, though: which president would presumably give Israel better diplomatic cover if it strikes Iran on its own? Obama or Romeny? Presumably, Romney. Since the Israeli leadership is likely to see it the same way, wouldn’t it make sense for it to wait until Romney is possibly installed in the White House before acting?

But here’s a counter-argument to my own argument: assuming they think Romney might win, it’d be less of an embarrassment for him to “inherit” the post-strike situation then to have it arise on his watch. So a strike is imminent? But what if Obama wins? Then he’d be mad at Israel and would have 4 years in which to pay back.

It’s one big veritable hall of smoke and mirrors. We’ll have to wait and see, I guess.

    There is a word many like to use…….”than”

    craigbhill says:

    Stop speculating: Obama has this election in the bag, with the nearly complete support of Wall St, K St and the “defense” industry: He keeps liberals hermetically sealed up, to support every rightwing policy of Bush’s he follows, at home and abroad. The day a Republican is elected president, unless he is wearing a uniform and institutes martial law, all hell will break loose on the streets, paralyzing the government, as it did the last 18 months of Bush’s regime, when no new rightwing globalizing advancement occurred. Conservatives in the know understand Obama brings home the goods, to them; Romney invites chaos, by the overt blatantcy of his promotion of the 1%. Obama otoh is completely successfully covert. And so it will remain. .

      Saint_Etienne says:

      Lemme get this straight: Obama is actually being run by the conservatives? So the whole Obama-bashing thing that so many conservatives have been engaged in for four years (a lot of it every bit as distasteful as the Bush-bashing by liberals in previous years) was just a clever ploy? I am mesmerized by the sheer enormity of the conspiracy.

      On a serious note – of course Obama continued many of Bush’s policies. But the only one surprised at that is probably Obama himself. The rest is just conspiracy theory and not a very riveting one at that.

Reb_Scott says:

Perhaps I misunderstand the historical record, but I think that even though the effort – Operation Eagle Claw – in April 1980 – to free the American hostages, launched by then President Carter, was an unmitigated disaster, it renders Mr. Smith’s phrase, “Jimmy Carter, who sat by idly when Ayatollah Khomeini and the founders of the Islamic Republic stormed the U.S. embassy and held Americans hostage for 444 days” problematic, at best. Further, one can argue that the diplomatic efforts, speeches and myriad of actions (including the unsuccessful military strike) undertaken by Pres. Carter were ineffective and whatever other adjectives one might choose, but it is, in my opinion, simply untrue that Pres. Carter, “sat idly by” during the hostage crisis.

    Beatrix17 says:

    President Carter sent in helicopters to rescue the
    American hostages, and then changed his mind. In the confusion, one
    helicopter crashed, 8 Americans were killed, and sheets of paper with
    names of Iranians who were helping America were strewn across the
    field. I doubt that anyone whose name was on that list was allowed
    to live.

    I remember Carter sitting through most of the hostage
    crisis wringing his hands. On the day Reagan took office, the
    Iranians freed the American hostages.

    The reason Iran took hostages was because in 1953,
    America overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh the democratically elected
    Iranian leader and replaced him with the despotic Shah. The group
    that overthrew the Shah took the hostages.

littlebadwolf says:

what bibi and aipac and a lot of other people have to remember is that israel and the u.s. have mutual defense treaties, not mutual offense treaties. an israeli offensive or preemptive strike against iran-not desired by most citizens of both nations-could require more than just ‘diplomatic shelter’ and might prove the tipping point for all-out war with islam. russia and china are not likely to ‘sit idly.’ self interest on the part of all in israel and the u.s. isn’t always enlightened, but perhaps it is time to start thinking and working for a better solution than another world war.

ajweberman says:

If Iran develops an atomic bomb and uses it against Israel, Israel will retaliate with nuclear weapons. The entire middle east will go up in flames. This time the West cannot sit by and watch millions of Jews die. We will take you down with us.

    Travis Vance says:

    Well….if nuclear weapons are used in the middle east, the only thing the US could do IS stand by and watch. (radiation and fallout would prevent doing anything else.)

    It seems the rest of the 60 million people who died in WW2 have no value for you. What a sad stereotype you are.

      Beatrix17 says:

      What a foolish statement. I’m an American who had
      relatives killed and wounded during WW2 by both the Germans and the
      Japanese. And I mourn those who died in the Holocaust. Do you
      seriously think we can’t care about both?

        ajweberman says:

        You can visit death camps because they were never bombed. FDR was afraid of coup by the military who would succumb to Nazi propaganda that the war was being fought for the Jews

          Saint_Etienne says:

          That the death camps were never bombed is true, sad, and a shameful stain on the reputation of Roosevelt and Churchill, otherwise great men. But do you have a reference for your second statement?

          ajweberman says:

          Don’t tell me you never heard of Smedley Butler?

          Saint_Etienne says:

          I have. He died in 1940. What possibly could he have to do with Roosevelt’s decisions in WWII? If you want to argue by analogy, that’s fine, but I asked for reference, not guesswork.

          ajweberman says:

          He broke up a plot to overthrow FDR. Also after WWII Liberty Lobby was able to get many former Generals to sign on to an organization led by DeValle that had a hidden agenda to get rid of Truman. LL was the residue of the Nazi intelligence network.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          I’m afraid I come across as pedantic here, but you still haven’t actually substantiated your original assertion: that FDR didn’t bomb the camps because he thought this would have led to a military coup by Nazi sympathizers. To me it sounds like a rather quaint, if not outright weird, theory. (For example, what was Churchill afraid of? Was he also fearful of a coup?) That’s why I asked for a reference (I half assumed you might have some memoir backing up your assertion) – neither Gen. Butler who had died in 1940 nor the Liberty Lobby that was founded in 1958 seem to qualify as possible reasons for apprehensions on FDR’s part. So I’ll have to write off your suggestion as conjecture for now.

          ajweberman says:

          At a meeting in Washington’s Army-Navy Club in 1953, General Pedro del Valle, Lieutenant Colonel John H. Coffman,
          USMC (Ret.); and Lieutenant Colonel Eugene Cowles Pomeroy (Ret.) created DAC, the Defenders of the American Constitution,
          electing del Valle as president to spread the “anti-New World Order gospel” into the highest ranks of the U.S. military hoping to instigate a military coup against the Eisenhower Presidency. DAC claimed its main goal was to purge the United States of any communist influence. The idea behind the group was to allegedly organize the citizens in each state as vigilantes against sabotage, terrorism and other forms of treason, and give them a national voice. Actually these officers hoped to form their own army just as Hitler had formed his own private army called Sturm
          Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as Stormtrooper or Brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks. Another thing that may have been going through Carto’s evil mind was the possibility of a putsch, such as Hitler’s did with the help of the military in the infamous Beer Hall Putsch. Carto continues:

          Saint_Etienne says:

          While I sort of enjoy this dragging into the light of day of various criminally minded kooks, I cannot resist pointing out the date – 1953. Haven’t you got anything from 1941-1945?

          ajweberman says:

          Listen you moron, if Herbert Hoover would have won against FDR America would have made a deal with Hitler because Hoover was a Nazi. Think about his campaign song, If hes good enough for Lindy he’s good enough for me. Most of the Generals voted for Hoover and were unhappy with FDR. There could have been a military coup.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Oh well, I see politeness has been thrown overboard.

          Anyway, by your logic it’s hard to understand why there was no coup in reality. After all, America did join the war and did fight the Nazis. Would bombing a few camps have made such a big difference to them?

          To recap, you claimed that “camps [...] were never bombed. FDR was afraid of coup by the
          military who would succumb to Nazi propaganda that the war was being
          fought for the Jews”. I asked you to back up your statement from the historical record, you threw around a bunch of unconnected factoids, none of them chronologically relevant. When I asked again for actual confirmation, you resorted to name calling. Looks like you really ran out of arguments.

          ajweberman says:

          The Klan was at its peak. The Armed Forces were full of Klanners. The German American Bund was active. America First. The Dulles brothers were firsters. Herbert Hoover was a Nazi sympathizer. He had been commander and chief of the armed forces. Of course there was talk of a military coup AMERICA WAS A RACIST COUNTRY. Hitler loved America because the Americans didnt intermix with the natives as the Spanish did in South America.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          I don’t see why you persist in talking to morons. Anyway, I think I’ll desist from pestering you with requests for factual reference for your conjectures – you don’t seem to realized the need for any. Good day, sir.

          ajweberman says:

          I made my case. See if Hoover didn’t visit Hitler. So long dummy

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Good – you make unfounded assertions, fail to back them up and when your make-believe fake history is questioned (in a friendly way) you resort to non-sequiturs and name calling. Who’s the dummy, come to think of it?

          craigbhill says:

          This extreme rightwingery running rife thru the Pentagon yet today did in JFK, and never seriously threatened Ike. You are thoroughly confused.

          ajweberman says:

          MacArthur

          craigbhill says:

          What about him, Mr Non-Sequiter? That traitor who was fired for insubordination against the president, who tried to spark nuclear war with China? Who fired on American vets to protect Herbert Hoover? Who loaded his private furniture on the plane evacuating the Philippines, leaving American soldiers who could have left with him to die on the Japanese Death March? That traitor MacArthur? The treasonous Conservative’s Hero? Oh, you didn’t know any of that? How could i have known.

          craigbhill says:

          The plot against FDR right after he was elected was by CORPORATISTS, not the military. You confuse the two. Back then, the military was not in league with corporate government, as today, damn them all. The Liberty Lobby was nothing, it achieved nothing, was never a threat, and was more homegrown than an arm of the Nazis. It was a propaganda organization urging Americans to pressure the govt not to get into the war against Hitler.

          ajweberman says:

          Liberty Lobby was formed after WWII so I dont waste my time with dummies

          Beatrix17 says:

          Year ago I read an
          article, I think in the NY Times, about Roosevelt’s very wealthy
          Jewish girlfriend. She said Roosevelt didn’t usually like Jews, but
          sometimes you are so wealthy that all you are is rich. Or in Marilyn
          Monroe’s case, you’re so sexy that your Jewishness doesn’t matter.

          Roosevelt didn’t rescue
          the Jews because he never thought of it.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Quite likely. Like I said above, a shameful blot on an great man’s reputation. But some people will have their conspiracies, no matter what.

          Beatrix17 says:

          You have a very good pen name.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Thanks. :)

          craigbhill says:

          WRONG. Invented “history”. FDR never publicly helped the Jews for the antisemitic backlash in the US that would have attacked him, and the war effort against Germany, with the accusation HE was Jewish, and protecting his own. His goal was to win WW2, which he did, because he kept his eye on the prize and was not distracted by the needs of any single ethnic group. He no sooner would have singled out and protected Jews than he would have Communists, or Roma, or gays, all EQUALLY victims of the Nazi mission to seek and destroy all things “non-Aryan”.

          ajweberman says:

          That was one way the Nazis checkmated him. Accusing him of being Jewish. If he bombed the death camps he would have saved a lot of righteous communists, homosexuals and gypsies along with the Jews.

          Beatrix17 says:

          Roosevelt appointed more
          Jews to his administration than any other President since Grant, who
          had to make up for some misguided antisemitism. Roosevelt no more
          thought about helping Europe’s Jews than Clinton thought about going
          into Rawanda.

      ajweberman says:

      No one is currently threatening Russia with annihilation. Or Poland or England. There is no room on this page to go through the horror the Nazis put the entire world through

        craigbhill says:

        Wrong again. The US will risk nuclear war and let the Pentagon achieve its decades-old wetdream, a war to the death against Russia, no matter they’re not Communist, but Capitalist. See the huge and numerous OFFENSIVE US and NATO bases ringing Russia’s Eastern front. They’re not there for the fun of it. Russia threatens nothing with its relatively PUNY military. Only the US can, and does, nearly globally.

    janbn says:

    FIrst of all, Iran will not use the nuclear weapon against Israel. They are not stupiid. They know what you and the US would do.
    Instead of threatening the entire world as you seem to do why don’t you call for a nuclear free Middle East or, better yet, a nuclear free world? But you won’t. You want Israel to be the sole owner of all the nuclear weapons in the ME so tat they can threaten the world with their weapons.

      ajweberman says:

      Ahmadinejad has repeatedly threatened Israel with annihilation.
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/103278843/Ahmadinejad-Al-Quds-Hitler-Speech-2012

        RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

        Thats because Israel constant annihilation of palastians and people like US citizen Rachel Corrie. What goes around comes around.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Do you know the meaning of “annihilation”?

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          Do you know the meaning of Holocaust genocide done to a innocent pacifist?

          Saint_Etienne says:

          The death of Rachel Corrie was a very regrettable and sad accident. It was not genocide, it had nothing to do with the Holocaust – words you bandy around with such facile glibness. But I suspect there is little point in arguing with you sensibly… .

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          Any innocents killed, anywhere, are genocidal holocaustal victims. Nobody has exclusive rights to words. Killers are killers, no matter if they wear nazi gray,arafat type kiefers or jewish stars of david.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Even if they perish in an accident? A sad, regrettable accident.

          Israel is NOT engaged in genocide. There is a lengthy, sad, almost hopeless conflict over land, over identity and religion involved. Some Palestinians have committed some really sick atrocious acts and the Israeli response has not been nice at times. That’s the way it is and it’d be much better if you could stop hyper-fulminating at Israel.

          Here, let me help you. Do you know about Shalhevet Pass? In 2001 a Palestinian sniper intentionally and knowingly shoot a ten-month old baby in a stroller. What did Israel do? Carpet bomb Hebron? Seize and kill 100 Palestinians? Nope, we found the killer, gave him a fair trial and sentenced him to three life terms. May he rot in hell, the sick bastard,

          So – please drop that genocide line. It’s not fair, it’s not rational and it’s definitely not conducive to peace.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          So being bulldozed into the ground is a accident? Old news reels shows nazis bulldozing innocent jews into the earth, saddam bulldozed living kurds into the ground. Israel bulldozed a innocent seeker of peace into the ground. Your reasoning makes them all accidents. No accident. Killers are killers, no matter what stripes they wear. Israel is engaged in genocide and uses holocaust type behavior on people who are not of their kind. Israel has become what it once vilfied, facist, intolerant, racist. All this and democracy too. Its sad to see people like yourself, who am sure is a good person, be blinded to facts, only because their commited by their own state. Am sure germany also had good people who where blind to the facts of their nation actions.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Sometimes, yes. I actually took the trouble to watch some of the clips. I found no sign of intention. Perhaps negligence, perhaps bad SOP. Not criminal intent. So stop piling on that. See what “Mother Jones” wrote about that: (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2003/09/death-rachel-corrie)

          “The idf compiled a video about the Corrie incident that includes footage
          taken from inside the cockpit of a D9. It makes a credible case that
          the operators, peering out through narrow, double-glazed, bulletproof
          windows, their view obscured behind pistons and the giant scooper, might
          not have seen Corrie kneeling in front of them.”

          No, Israel does not engage in genocide. I will not brook this kind of lies. Israel is faced with terror and yes, sometimes, over-reacts. But on the whole, it shows restraint. Come on, you are making a travesty out of the word “genocide” here. Genocide means the willful attempt to kill all who belong to a certain people. Israel has never done that. There were wars, there were counter-terror operations and yes, at times, innocents have died too. This is sad, I can weep for that – but, alas, that is what always happens in war. A war Israel didn’t start, by the way. Who invaded whom in 1948?

          So, stop piling on Israel. You are not helping any one, least of all the Palestinians.

          You know what, you seem like a good person too. But you are blinded by the rage you are working yourself into. Stop a moment to think, man.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          The only victims of Israel land actions dont seem to be swiss or from vietnam. They are arabs, exclusively. Isnt that genocide against a people? And those who wish to help them, like Rachel Corrie are trageted and killed. Thats also genocidal behavior on innocent peace seeking people.Helen thomas(reporter) said it best when she said that most Jews should go back to their homelands in germany and poland. The reason they left, the nazis had been wiped out. They could go back, but no, they settled on other peoples lands. See, 500 years ago, another native people where wiped from the face of the earth in a holocaust genocide that killed over 50 million people in the so called new world. Of course they had no modern weapons to defend themselves with.Just bows and arrows. The arabs natives on the other hand do have modern methods of payback for having their land taken by force. And its called terror. Well had the natives of north america, blew up the statue of liberty back when it was new, in the days they where being wiped out, would that be terrorist actions, or payback for having their people wiped out? Israel should go back to its 67 borders, and seek peace with its arabs brothers.Land for justice and peace. No justice, no peace. Noam Chomsky a peace seeking Jew for truth isnt in a rage when he describes Israels actions against arabs. And if anybody stops to think things, its him. Am glad you think am a good person, as I believe you are. Most people in this sad world are good. Its the people who kill, anybody who kills who are wrong for whatever reason. Those reasons of hate can be overcome. If all of us unite as childern of the sun we all live under. Bless you and may you always be in peace wherever you are.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Bless you too but you are very much misguided, I am afraid. Chomsky may have been a brilliant scientist in his day but his political writing just leads people astray (he’s a good example of Peter’s law). Anyway, I re-iterate: there is no Israeli genocide against the Arabs. We do not want to kill them; there is a conflict over land. And over the whole concept of a Jewish State – the Arabs haven’t yet arrived at the point where they can actually stomach that. Once they do, peace will be within reach. Not until then.

          About Helen Thomas – you are really confused here. Poland is not the ancestral Jewish homeland. Neither is Germany. That old woman is just ignorant (and hardly impartial, being an Arab). You half-admit so much yourself when you mention the 1967 borders – if Jews must “get the hell out of Palestine” and “go home” to Germany or Poland as Thomas said, why let them stay within the 1967 borders. This makes no sense!

          Anyway, this argument becomes a bit old. You are not willing to relinquish the word “genocide” although it doesn’t apply here and it’s constant use is nothing but a smear. I don’t think I’ll manage to persuade you.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          I wont rehash written comments made by early leaders of the Israeli state calling for the destrucions of the arabs and taking of their lands. You know whats out their and its well documented. Some arabs have accepted the state of Israel, like egypt, and the kings of jordan. Not all arabs want to push the jews into the sea, and am sure not all jews want to kill every arab. The confusion is that what you call a homeland. Whats that? A book written 3000 odd years ago, isnt a land title. And the moon isnt made out of cheese. What Helen Thomas(a semite) stated makes sense to all them non semetic Jews. Not many blond hair, blue eyed whites in the book.. Am thinking she means those who came from poland germany russia etc, who because of the nazis or commies, fled their homelands. A brilliant man like Chomsky is far from confused. You and I know that the Jews wont leave Israel, and honestly I hope they go back to their 67 borders. Israels history is very socialist bent, and made the desert bloom. Good things are a part of her history and not all bad. So it pains to see those actions that are genocidal. Jews are a good people and should know better. Thanks for your blessing, and I see a whisper of hope in your words when you say that peace can be achived as long as both sides want it. Heres hoping that day isnt long off.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          On the contrary, if you have such comments, bring them out.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          Ill have to look them up for you, It being late here where i am, ill try to get that for you asap when am up and about.Till then, peace.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Still waiting for those quotes…

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          I ran into this quote while watching a North Korean video about propaganda on youtube. “We have taken their country. We must do everything to ensure they never return. We must use terror, asasination, intimidation, land confiscation and the cutting of all social services, to rid the Galiele of its arabs population.” David Ben Gerywen. Sorry about the spelling. Heres the youtube address of the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMr2VrhmFI
          Stuff about Israel in specific is between 51:40 to 1:01:50 Its really violent some of its images so watch out. Pls dont judge harshly that it comes from North Korean. Acutally its info thats already out their, they just spliced it together. The whole film is pretty eye opening, considering its north korean propaganda in its own right.
          But back to the point. Its sad to see a good people go the ways of past evils. This isnt just a right wrong issue. Theirs room for others shades, and needs people from both sides to come together for true peace.The blacks in america have a saying. “No justice no peace.” It can be understood as “No land no peace” by the arabs. Heres hoping that one day both sides will really want to start. Its gonna be up to Israels young to create their own spring.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          For such grave charges as you level, you’d have to work a bit harder to substantiate them than to refer to, gasp, North Korean propaganda. Seriously?

          Actually, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and watched a fraction of this – well, it’s just the bollocks I have always expected North Korean propaganda to be. I shan’t engage in detailed rebuttals of N.K.prop. Cite a credible source (hint: book by some historian, article in a respectable newspaper, something) and we’ll have something to argue about.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          I dont level any charges.Am totally objective. Living neither in the US or Israel, or in any arab lands or being of the relgiions or races involved. Totally impartial.But am a reader of history. The grave charges of which you make mention of, are a part of known history. Its obvious that in the video, the words made by the founder of Israel,spoken in 1948 at the begining of Israel, are written facts. That the North Koreans put it on a video, didnt mean they invented the statement. Its known words. Several early Israel leaders commited known terror acts. Begin was a terrorist leader against the british. Later he became prime minister. I dont make this up, its known history. That you choose to ignore history, and rather be blind,to be able to justify fascist, racist and down right cruelty toward other human beings,like crushing peace activists,like Rachel Corrie, in order to have a homeland at the expense of other peoples home lands, well its no wonder that their so much trouble in those lands. To pretend that words where not said,even when they where, and actions not done, even when their is evidence, is to believe in fantasy. I deal with facts. I dont argue by the way, Just the facts. Heres another by the way, written in a Jewish paper July 14, 1972 Yoram Ben Porat
          It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain clearly and corageously for public opinion a certain number of facts which time causes to be forgotton. The first of these is that there is no Zionism colonization or Jewish state without the eviction of the arabs and the expropriation of their lands.
          All you got to do is google Jewish leaders anti arab speeches and you find pages and pages. But of course you have to filter down thru the crazies, but you do find credible sites. Do your own homework. Ive proven my point even thought you reject it. Sorry.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Well, the history you read is warped pretty strongly. Frankly, the North Korean propaganda bit broke the backs of most of my camels. Just have a look here:

          http://www.paulbogdanor.com/israel/quotes.html

          Are you aware of any of this?

          And yes, you did level charges – throwing around the genocide word.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          If it quacks like a duck, You call it a duck. I call it genocide. But of course that wont be admited by those who practice it. When the USA commited genocide on their natives, they didnt call it that. They called it bringing them civilization. And your link. Sure, I believe they all said that. In consequence of others actions. In otherwords, blow back. Like what 9 11 was about. It takes 2 too tango. Its simple. Israel and the west started it all,with their mission from God. Enforcing religious views with political will and military might, isnt seperation of church and state. Thats whats in the US constitution. To have the USA involved in a religious dispute over homelands, is a direct violation of its laws.But you have them crazy christians from the republican right like Bush and others, who want to bring on the messiah. So the USA has been backing Israel and its religious doctrine that is being used as a land title over others persons lands. You people are no better than them crazies in afganistan. Religion is like sex, its practiced better, behind closed doors. And finally, you even have some Jews, Hasidic I think, who are very religious Jews, who think that Israel shouldnt exsit at all, because God banished the Jews from those lands. And only under certain circumstances, which arent in place yet, can Israel exsit with the blessing of God. And because of the affront to God wishes, theirs all the mayhem thats going on. And these people are Jews! And not even that will water down the brainwashing that most defenders of genocide in Israel practice. Of course, those who are,(brainwashed) dont even realize it. And cannot begin to fanthom what truth really is. No matter where it comes from, be it north korean or what ever,or what evidence is presented. You right away attack evidence because you cant handle that its from a despot totalitarian communist regime. A country who has no designs on Israel, no beef with them. Hasnt lost lands to each others. No wars between them at all. Why would it put out anti Israel propaganda? It gains nothing from it. I found that video on youtube while watching anti american and anti capital videos on youtube. Rather innocent and with a open mind, I watched it. And wow, had bad must the world be, that North Korea of all countries in this sad little world, is speaking volumes of truth about what is going on in the world. Heres a video from the Swiss. No, its not anti Israel its just anti. Hope your open minded enough and tolerant of the music video type format in it. Some people cant handle a MTV type documentary. I think its a age thing. But maybe you will give it a try.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXmuWecIQos&feature=
          Its about a genocide we all participate in. Take care and may the wind always fill your sails.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Okay, haven’t got the time to sift through everything now. Lemme ask you a quick question: if a Palestinian sniper kills a ten-month-old Jewish toddler in Hebron – is this genocide, according to your lights? Was the 1929 massacre in Hebron genocide, according to you?

          Please think before you answer.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          Yes. Of course it is. Its targeted killing based on their race. Its not random violence like in the colorado bat man shooting. Both sides are commiting acts of genocide. All eye for and eye has done has made everyone blind.

          RodolfoLeonMartinez says:

          Do you know the meaning of Holocaust genocide done to a innocent pacifist?

          Beatrix17 says:

          She was interferring with the IDF in a war zone. She was lucky she died in an accident—the soldiers would have been perfectly within their rights to shoot her. I can’t imagine American soldiers indulging her.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Well, I don’t know about that. She shouldn’t have been there, but lots of people do things they shouldn’t do – which doesn’t mean they deserve to die for that.

        craigbhill says:

        He regurgitates the myth Zionists control US foreign policy, for his political audience. That he has not been obliterated years ago by Israeli weapons DISPROVES his myth. There is nothing in his speech that states he will “annihilate” Israel. That is an Israeli foreign policy lie, to portray him as desiring the destruction of what is to his audience the sacred ground of Jerusalem. Not gonna happen, Izzy! Stop the BS.

      Beatrix17 says:

      America is not going to retaliate if Iran bombs Israel,
      except with more sanctions. And Israel has 7 million people against
      80 million Persians, 85 million Turks, and 350 million Arabs, most of
      whom want Israel destroyed. Israel is not giving up her bomb. Nor
      is she allowing any of these other nations to acquire one if she can
      help it.

        Menachim Begin says:

        Why do they want Israel destroyed ? Israel has been killing inocent palestinians for decades, give them their due right and problem solved.

        noll janet says:

        What have you been smoking Beatrix17? America will have to retaliate. If not this country will have a civil war. This is a Christian country and we will unite behind Israel.

          Beatrix17 says:

          America has never fought for Israel., We support her, but her victories have been her own, She doesn’t fight for us, either, Your attitude is wonderful, but history doesn’t support your statement,

          craigbhill says:

          Only dunderheads who populate trailers in the dumbed-down South think the US is a Christian country, and desires a crusade. The rest of the US is intelligent, and that is what compels US foreign policy, not wars over stupid religion. There is no geopolitical advantage in such insanity. Grow a brain.

      noll janet says:

      janbn you are under the spell that the Iranian govt. is rational. They are not, they are zealots, radical, unpredictable, suicidal zealots.

        craigbhill says:

        You are either a liar or a fool. Iranians would behead the leader who even offered the suggestion Iran attack the holy Muslim city of Jerusalem. Learn something new, like honesty, and reality.

      noll janet says:

      janbn you are under the spell that the Iranian govt. is rational. They are not, they are zealots, radical, unpredictable, suicidal zealots.

    noll janet says:

    I think America has learned from WWII. Christians all over this country feel very protective towards Israel. Now mind you the liberal media has tried its best to demean Christians but we are still the silent majority. Hurt Israel and the silent majority will rise up and demand our politicians to support Israel. We are the sleeping giant.

      Beatrix17 says:

      Janet:
      You are wonderful! Anyone would love to have you by their side.

      I’m an American Christian and I strongly disagree Janet. I think Israel is making too much of nukes. Japan was nuked and they bounced back stronger than ever. So will Israel. So suck it up and show some courage.

      craigbhill says:

      You are the braindead minority who does not run US foreign policy. There will be no “hurting” Israel by a nuclear Iran, it would be as if Israel attacked New York City and killed the million Jews living there. Iran would as soon attack their holy city of Jerusalem as Christians would. Learn something new, Christians, beyond the official lies of 9/11.

    noll janet says:

    I think America has learned from WWII. Christians all over this country feel very protective towards Israel. Now mind you the liberal media has tried its best to demean Christians but we are still the silent majority. Hurt Israel and the silent majority will rise up and demand our politicians to support Israel. We are the sleeping giant.

BB Melman says:

The premise of the essay is moot. Iran will have nuclear weapons capability by October. To delay a strike on Iran until after the elections is to risk nuclear retaliation by Iran or her proxies. A preemptive strike by definition must preempt in advance, not after the fact. The article also ignores the possibility of a Middle East nuclear arms race were Iran, the Shiite Nation, to go nuclear, something no Sunni Muslim nation would countenance.

Whether we should attack Iran or not would be a moot point if Romney were President. We simply wouldn’t…even if attacked first…the only tax return that Romney’s released (2006) has his initial investment into Iranian state owned oil. Many of the 1% who want to get their paws on cheap Iranian oil buy it thru blind trusts via Russia (as Romney did)…it is now estimated he has in the billions invested there. Be honest; I don’t want to say Romney is impressed with his money, but he’s a bit like Ross Perot (on steroids). Money is truly his God…we all know that whether we are voting for him or not…and ambition is good; I”m not knocking him. But do you really think he’s going to bomb his money-God even if attacked? I think he’d go right into “business negotiating” even while the rest of us were melting from nuclear fallout.

bartmartin says:

This is the opinion of one man named Mr Smith.He may be very well informed on the Mid east, but in the ever changing esxplosive situation of Israel and Iran.it´s just another conjecture or possible scenario.If Iran did anything funny after they are attacked,The U:S could hardly stand by if Iran or hezbollah and hamas were sending 1,000´s of missiles at Israel and with heavy casualties.Or if the basic integrity or survival of Israel was at stake.Iran has threatened to “wipe Israel off the Map” and there are millions of people in the world that can translate Farsi very weill.Iran has commited crimes against the peace, against the U:N charter and they can´t be given a free hand with their threats and terrorism.There are analogies between the regime in Iran and Hitlers comquests and the mass murder of not only its own citizens but millions of people in other countries.I´m not convinced of Mr Smith´s arguments.I hope he is wrong.Isreal and Jews in general can´t be made a sacrificial lamb for the pycho nazi type islamic terrorists in Iran.Israeñ is very well armed and they have the right to defend themselves and carry the war to Iran very forcefully. given the nazi like threats and actions of Iran.They shouldn´t have to do this on their own.Also iran´s intentions go much further than Israel just as Hitlers plans went much firther than Austria and Poland..Mr.Smith´s ideas are just one of many possibilities.I personally hope he is very wrong. !

    craigbhill says:

    The real head of Iran stated last week nuclear bombs are evil. THAT is THE Muslim policy of a nuclear Iran. Call him a liar all you like, but if Iran ever attacked anyone with a nuclear weapon, his words will be read back to Iran as it is obliterated. Period end. His statement PROVES it is NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Iranian nuclear capability actually has the goal of neutering Israel’s ability to threaten and attack Arab states without impunity, and reining in THAT cowboy has the peaceful result of cooling down the Wild Wild Middle East.

Allen Z. Hertz says:

Though the analysis is credible, there has to be astonishment –even shock– at the tremendous implications not only for Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, but also for Europe and NATO. Unless Israel effectively acts as the USA’s “borrowed knife,” a nuclear-armed Iran is a game changer in world politics. Clash of civilizations for sure! And North Korea is no exact precedent in this regard, because the North Korean nuclear program was probably from the very beginning secretly engineered by covert elements of China’s People’s Liberation Army. And, to this day, North Korea’s nuclear weapons are likely actually controlled by super top secret Chinese operatives probably known to just a handful of people in the PRC. Western analysts are probably foolish to believe that North Korea was ever genuinely at arm’s length from China. With its experience of the PRC’s participation in the Korean War, the USA has plenty of incentive not to even think about taking military action to curb North Korea’s nuclear weapons. And for sure, via the North Korean nuclear weapons, the PRC has effectively demonstrated the emptiness of USA commitments to Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Now along comes Iran’s nuclear weapons to demonstrate the emptiness of the USA’s commitments to its “friends and allies” in the Middle East and Europe. At stake is not only USA withdrawal from the Middle East, but in fact the very rapid end of the American century. Unless of course, the USA actually uses Israel to strike hard at Iran. The game of appearance and reality boggles the mind! However, the alternative explanation is too shocking to contemplate. Namely, are we to believe that Barack Obama is rushing forward to trash the current world order? If so, Americans ought to be very concerned because the sober reality is that the “Alpha male” wolf not only has to fight his way to the top, but also has to fight his way down to decline and death. There is no genteel “time out” in the world of states. Specifically, we are most unlikely to see repeated anything like the gracious manner in which the “pax Britannica” was replaced by the “pax Americana.” Among the English-speaking peoples, there is no clash of civilizations. If President Obama is purposely setting out to manage planned decline, he will most likely lead Americans (and others too) into a sea of blood.

    bartmartin says:

    Allen, your post is much too abstract for me .We`re talking about a nazi like threat to the world order which is Iran.This country combined with an international Islamic jihad terrorism (which includes other Muslms as their victims) is much too concrete for a type of analysis that you make.And yes.. there is a clash of civilizations between Islamic terrorism all over the world and those who are their victims Sub Sahara Africa,Thailand,the Phillipines ,the Middle East and really all over the world are the targets of Iran and its storm troopers.We`re talking about a nazi like country Iran that is huffing and puffing like Germany was before they swallowed Austria and attacked Poland.Your theorizing might be interesting i.e about Alpha males but I think Mr.Huntington`s idea of a clash of civilazations is much more relevant. !!

      Allen Hertz says:

      Barmartin, I agree with you and Netanyahu! There is indeed an analogy between the present-day Iran of the ayatollahs and Nazi Germany in the period before the March 1938 annexation of Austria. For more than three years, I have been warning that President Obama is perhaps seeking to play the role of Neville Chamberlain to a new Nazi Germany as portrayed by the Islamic Republic of Iran. In this cinematic revival, Israel is slated to feature as 1938 Czechoslovakia, with the Palestinians as the Sudeten Germans. And, the Europeans get to return to play their craven selves. International relations are always the same — no “new politics,” no “old politics.” As in centuries past, the “game” is deadly, periodically taking the lives of millions. In this cruel world of states, a weak and apologetic stance invites aggression by opportunists like Hitler and Ahmedinejad. Where in the world today is there a foreign government which now trusts the word of the USA? And why do the leaders of Russia, China and Iran have such evident disdain for President Obama’s character and abilities? Who exactly now formulates USA foreign policy in the Middle East? Many commentators insist that it is President Obama himself who now runs the show like some 21st-century Napoleon III. Good for Lee Smith to point out that, whether Obama or Romney, no USA president would be likely to attack Iran unless Iran first hits the USA. But what does this say about the morality of President Obama’s feverish efforts to prevent Israel from exploiting a closing “window of opportunity” to strike Iran’s nuclear weapons program? Rabbinic responsa inform us that I am obliged to kill first the one who comes armed to my door with intent to forcibly enter to kill me and my family.

        In case you haven’t looked at a map lately, I’ll do it for you. Iran is completely surrounded by countries hosting US military bases or seas in which the US Navy is dominant. Even if the Iranian military could be compared to that of Nazi Germany which it can’t, there is no way it could conquer anything.

        The most germane sentence in Smith’s long screed is this and it doesn’t apply to Iran whose government we once overthrew and whose passenger plane our navy shout down, killing 287 passengers, in 1988, but to Israel after its attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967:

        “If you can kill Americans without any
        consequences and the Americans will in fact collaborate in covering up
        your malfeasance, you can certainly build a nuclear weapons facility
        without too much concern.”

          Beatrix17 says:

          America knew that the attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake. We’ve made mistakes, too, with our allies. It';s something you don’t prolong.

          US officials, such as Dean Rusk and Adm. Thomas Moorer, not to mention all the American sailors and survivors of the attack on the Liberty, knew it was no mistake, nor was the napalm that the Israeli pilots dropped on the lifeboats hoping to make sure there would be no survivors.

          The Israeli planes had flown over the ship earlier and had to see the huge American flag that was waving in the breeze to identify it and the US sailors sunning themselves on the lightly armed intelligence ship.

          When the first report came from the Liberty that it was being attacked, US fighter jets went to its defense but when the White House learned that the attackers were Israelis, Def. Secretary MacNamara, with LBJ’s approval, called them back, reportedly saying, “I don’t want to embarrass an ally.” The survivors were then told that they couldn’t talk about the attack publicly or face court-martial and so for the years they remained in the service they kept their mouths shut.

          Israel had plans to attack and take over the Golan Hts the next day, having been given a map of all the Syrian gun emplacements by Eli Cohen, one of Israel’s most famous spies, and did not want to take the chance on Washington telling them not to do it when they had the chance.

          Saint_Etienne says:

          Your version of the events is garbled and misleading. I checked the wikipedia page now: no napalm on lifeboats, no indication that MacNamara knew the attack was by Israel – rather, it was Adm. Martin who stood down the first time the planes, because they had nuclear weapons. Etc.

          Beatrix17 says:

          Israel is an ally and since her peace treaty with Egypt,
          we supply her with funds to buy munitions, 75% of which have to be
          spent in America. America has never fought a war for or with Israel.
          Israel has always fought alone. And Israel has never required
          permission from the United States in order to fight a war for her own
          protection.

          When the USS Liberty tragedy occurred, Israel was in the
          middle of the 6 day war, a momentous war, which she won. Both Israel
          and America agreed that the tragedy was a mistake, just as America
          shooting down an Iranian flight on 7/3/88 which killed 290 civilians,
          including 66 children was a tragic mistake.

          Israel paid over 22 million dollars to compensate the
          families of the slain service men.

          Israel is an ally and since her peace treaty with Egypt,
          we supply her with funds to buy munitions, 75% of which have to be
          spent in America. America has never fought a war for or with Israel.
          Israel has always fought alone. And Israel has never required
          permission from the United States in order to fight a war for her own
          protection.

          When the USS Liberty tragedy occurred, Israel was in the
          middle of the 6 day war, a momentous war, which she won. Both Israel
          and America agreed that the tragedy was a mistake, just as America
          shooting down an Iranian flight on 7/3/88 which killed 290 civilians,
          including 66 children was a tragic mistake.

          Israel paid over 22 million dollars to compensate the
          families of the slain service men.

          Allen Hertz says:

          Blankfort, the world changes daily. For President Obama the watchword in the Middle East seems to be “withdraw, withdraw, withdraw!” The USA has rushed out of Iraq and is now setting about to abandon Afghanistan. You are the one who should look at a map of the Persian Gulf and adjacent regions! Which of those countries has a government that now actually believes the promises of the current USA administration? It is hard to believe that, after failing to prevent Iran’s rush to nuclear weapons, the USA would have the determination and patience to mount in the Persian Gulf all that would be necessary to contain an Iran armed with nuclear weapons. Perhaps history really does not repeat itself exactly, so there might be only limited value in references to 1938 Germany. Still, it is worth recalling that the Germany of January 1938 was not the colossus it became by May 1940, with the collapse of France. At the beginning of the 1930’s, France was presumed to be the strongest country in Europe, with many of the East European states cherishing their alliances with France. But then things changed pretty quickly! Sometimes, the world of states keeps old patterns for a long while — then suddenly, the dam breaks and there is a torrent of change. With what intent is Iran seeking nuclear weapons? What are the relevant pronouncements of the Iranian government about Islam, about the correct form of Islamic governance for the Middle East, about Israel? When all of that is taken into account, there can be some insight into why so many are now concerned about the prospect of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons. In Paris, French men, women and children do not go to bed at night worrying about the UK’s nuclear weapons and vice versa.

          Allen Hertz says:

          Blankfort, the world changes daily. For President Obama the watchword in the Middle East seems to be “withdraw, withdraw, withdraw!” The USA has rushed out of Iraq and is now setting about to abandon Afghanistan. You are the one who should look at a map of the Persian Gulf and adjacent regions! Which of those countries has a government that now actually believes the promises of the current USA administration? It is hard to believe that, after failing to prevent Iran’s rush to nuclear weapons, the USA would have the determination and patience to mount in the Persian Gulf all that would be necessary to contain an Iran armed with nuclear weapons. Perhaps history really does not repeat itself exactly, so there might be only limited value in references to 1938 Germany. Still, it is worth recalling that the Germany of January 1938 was not the colossus it became by May 1940, with the collapse of France. At the beginning of the 1930’s, France was presumed to be the strongest country in Europe, with many of the East European states cherishing their alliances with France. But then things changed pretty quickly! Sometimes, the world of states keeps old patterns for a long while — then suddenly, the dam breaks and there is a torrent of change. With what intent is Iran seeking nuclear weapons? What are the relevant pronouncements of the Iranian government about Islam, about the correct form of Islamic governance for the Middle East, about Israel? When all of that is taken into account, there can be some insight into why so many are now concerned about the prospect of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons. In Paris, French men, women and children do not go to bed at night worrying about the UK’s nuclear weapons and vice versa.

      craigbhill says:

      You don’t seem to understand, Iran can’t even attack IRAQ any more because it is an American vassel. Nor would Iraq ever ever ever attack Iran again, under American control, and don’t think that control is not set in granite. Iran as a Nazi state, out to attack ANYONE. let alone “gobble them up”, least of all Israel, is LAUGHABLE. In time, as nuclear Iran once again becomes an American ally, and falls in line with its friendly use of its power, everyone will see the Iranian-American alliance as just another cycle in the pattern going back to the Shah.

      The “clash of civilizations” is dying old-fart American rightwing pseudo-intellectual blather, and nothing more. The new world order finds such concepts quaint and irrelevant. The future is global, say they, not sectional. That day is done. Get with the times, stop rereading past wars never fought the way you seem to think they were. Stop reading historical comic books, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    craigbhill says:

    Hysteria. You read too much historical fiction, aka breathless “analysis”.

And this is why I probably won’t vote in the upcoming election. Neither candidate can be counted on so let the chips fall where they may.

    So there are no domestic issues that make you swing one way or the other?

    Chaya says:

    “If you are part of
    a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures
    you want to vote for … but there are certain to be ones you want to vote
    against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go
    wrong.” – Robert Anson Heinlein

Hershl says:

Just more evidence of why Israel is foolish to delay any preventive action against those who wish to destroy it.

Headbangerguy says:

Even if Israel blew up Iran’s nuclear sites, the government would most likely stay in place.

But if Israel attacked Iran’s oil infrastructure, damaged the ports, decapitated some of the leadership and the military, there is a good chance the regime would fall. The economy is in bad shape now.

Of course, it would have to be done before Iran got the bomb.

With the regime down, the Nuke site will should be easier to hit. Arm the Green Movement beforehand? Have a coalition of countries or the U.N. pick up the pieces? Don’t know. But just attacking nuclear sites doesn’t mean the nuke threat will be gone.

Will taking down the government cause that much more ill will than just attacking the nuke sites? Don’t know.

If Iran’s civilians were armed, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    Saint_Etienne says:

    Why wouldn’t be having this discussion? Do you realize that the present government in Iran is in fact a revolutionary one?

    By the way, what would you have civilians armed with (I presume you’d like them to be armed in every country, not just Iran)? Only small arms? Or maybe grenades? Machine guns?

    craigbhill says:

    Israel won’t attack Iran, because they know the consequences would literally change their status of existence. They would find their only supporter extremely unhappy with them—it could be time the US, in an attempt to mend fences with Iran, supports Palestinian statehood, and, for Israel, much much worse. Israel would be severely punished for its intransigence into American global policy. Don’t believe me? Try it and watch.

    Let’s make this extremely clear: The US is the dog, Israel the tail which COULD be cut off, and the dog still survive.

Jimmy Carter sat idly by? Tell that to those who died in the rescue attempt that Carter mounted.

donzi_boy says:

Spot on. September is the last opportunity weather-wise. It’s clear that Israel has concluded that the Iranians will not stop their nuclear weapon development. It’s not something Israel can tolerate. Whatever happens there will surprises all round. Despite the fact that an attack might actually help Obama, Israel can’t wait.

    craigbhill says:

    Israel will continue to sit still and whine about it. The US will not allow Izzy to blow up anything in Iran. See my other comments above which explain why.

    The proof Israel is not going to attack Iran is that it hasn’t. It’s had nearly 8 years of public awareness that Iran is building nuclear capability, and has done NOTHING to stop it except complain to the US, like an angry little boy to the adult in the neighborhood who has other designs with Iran, which does not include another war with Muslims. That was Bush; this is Bzrezinski’s student, Obama.

    Saint_Etienne says:

    Are you serious about the weather thing?

Savione says:

I wonder if any of you Internet generals will be fighting the war against Iran. Most of you seem so cavalier about arguing for mass murder of Iranians. No love in your hearts. Thankfully, it seems that Iran is not a sitting duck and aggressors know that Iran will be shooting back. Therefore, warmongers will be thinking long and hard about retribution.

    Beatrix17 says:

    In 1981, without Reagan’s approval, Israel went into
    Iraq and destroyed their French supplied nuclear facility with little
    loss of life and property and little criticism from Reagan.

    In 2007, Israel, without Bush’s approval, went into
    Syria and destroyed their nuclear facilities with little loss of life
    and property, and little criticism from Bush.

    If Israel goes into Iran the strike will cover more
    ground, but despite Iran’s warmongering talk I doubt that the attack
    will be any more violent than necessary. I think we’ll see new
    weapons and sophisticated cyber-attacks by Israel, but the Shah was
    much more sophisticated about the modern world than today’s Iranian
    leadership.

    Iran doesn’t hate America because of Israel, they hate
    Israel because she allied herself with the West.

      Menachim Begin says:

      You are so lost!!

        Beatrix17 says:

        Israel never loses. Nor do the people who support her.
        Did you know you have the same name as a former PM of Israel?

      craigbhill says:

      Yes, Israel did destroy Iraq’s nuke, and attacked the non-oil state of Syria. All that was then, and this is now. Now it’s different. Today, Israel will not destroy anything, or find the Muslim Brotherhood the US allowed to be installed in that CIA-led “revolution” to expand its reach, and find American agreement to Israeli desires significantly cooled, if that pipsqueak wrecks American plans re Russia and China, which is a tightly-crafted global affair not subject to relatively insignificant egos who want to be the only nuclear power on their block.

        Saint_Etienne says:

        Well, you have a point there about Syria being non-oil. On the other hand, 2007 is NOT long ago.

        Beatrix17 says:

        Israel has been attacked
        many times by her neighbors, including Syria, all of whom greatly
        outnumber her. That’s why she has to be the only player in the game
        with a bomb.

        Both Russia and China
        have reached out to Israel, the great innovator. She’s been in the
        forefront in developing medical, technological, and military systems,
        which have benefited America, and which other countries want access
        to.

        Europe is a has been
        area. The Mideast grows in power. If America wants to remain a
        great power, she would be wise to hold on to her friendship with
        Israel. Netanyahu is a great leader of a small nation. He is not a
        pipsqueak, nor can the leader of America be either.

    craigbhill says:

    They are children who know how to type.

herbcaen says:

I agree with Mr Smith that neither Obama or Romney is likely to strike Iran on its own. However, Obama likely views Iran as a potential ally, this is why as Senator Obama, he was one of the few who voted against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard being seen as a terrorist entity. It would not require much imagination for a second term Obama to sign an Ahmadinejad Doctrine, based upon our own Monroe Doctrine, acknowledging the area from Afghanistan to Morocco as the Iranian sphere of influence

Many have been curious about what Mormons actually believe. This short cartoon shows a few of the more surprising aspects. Shalom. May God Bless Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGFAph3lWqw

Peter Foster says:

this article completely misses the point. a possible atomic umbrella for iran to make troubles in the gulf sheikdoms is an international pain in the a… but proud china and russia would want israel to strike and not the mighty usa. what the us has to do is teaching the iranians that their retaliation against israel must be moderate. for this lesson, romney is better suited than obama.

Mortimer Post says:

The only way to deal with Iran is with brute force. If American politicians don’t have the decency and guts to do what’s right–it will be no surprise; America’s “court Jews”–miserable kapos–will be nice and compliant. Israel, with guns, guts and Hashem–will do what it must.

S.Ribeiro says:

Hipocrisy! The United States think they are entitled to act against nuclear weapons in Iran. What gives legitimacy to the U.S. having nuclear weapons and not Iran? Mitt Romney only going to cause problems, he is a fundamentalist who think that U.S. imperialism still has any chance.

People should know what Mitt Romney believes and spread the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGFAph3lWqw

People should know what Mitt Romney believes and spread the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGFAph3lWqw

Sorry, this piece is just too far off-base. US hasn’t attacked, so they won’t… Uhh, not very solid reasoning: the situation has changed gravely. The piece is correct in assessing that Obama won’t attack. He just doesn’t care about Israel. Or rather: he hates Israel, so he really wouldn’t mind seeing 6 million israeli jews be nuked by Iran. But Romney does love Israel. He is not a cynic that only wants to run for a second term: he loves the jewish people and their nation. He will stop Iran from getting nukes. And since Iran also knows that, Romney doesn’t even have to attack: Iran will fold out of fear. I detail my arguments against Obama on my blog (obamavsisrael); and to every zionist out there: please do not re-elect Obama: a vote for Obama is a vote for a second holocaust.

    Menachim Begin says:

    Why should Obama care for Israel ? Give me one good reason.
    Why shouldn’t he be impartial and fair. I think leaning towards Palestine is in American interest, as it will result in reduce price for barrel of oil and contracts in middle east worth billions of dollars, and much more.
    Being Israeli ally has not resulted in a single benefit for the American people.
    Open your eyes and do some homework, the only reason America sides with Israel is so that presidential candidate can be elected due to very strong Israeili lobby.
    Wake Up!!!

      Beatrix17 says:

      Stuxnet computer virus, drones, loyalty, shared
      values, advanced medical, weapon, and technological systems, and in
      the near future, cars that run and homes that heat without the need
      of oil.

      craigbhill says:

      You will see the “power” of the Israeli lobby in all its impotence, as Obama easily, tho closely, defeats Romney. The plan to force Russia to its knees requires peace in the region between squabbling would-be violent gangs of Lilliputians. Allowing such childishness is not geopoliticaly sophisticated. The powers behind Obama have much bigger axes to grind elsewhere. Israel will simply have to learn its place in the world, and that is not as a great military power bullying the weak.

    craigbhill says:

    Nothing has changed “gravely”. Obama wants to cozy up to Iran, which ACTUALLY serves to cement peace, vis a vis Israel and Iran, into place. Obliterating Israel is not in anyone’s interest, especially Obama’s. And Romney loves ONLY his class, that would be evident to you if you didn’t so thoroughly wallow in superficial propaganda and actually watch carefully his revealing comments that prove this. He would be just another cog in the policy of threatening Russia with nuclear war if necessary, the Pentagon’s LONG-held wish, and that requires a friendly Iran, not a bombed-up one.

    If Obama is anything to Israel, it is as a fly swatter is to an attack by a viral mosquito. ISRAEL needs to transform back into something approaching international civility, and stop treating “the other” like Hitler did. Israel will see its status made secure internationally, the more it does. All propaganda to the contrary comes from a finite regime of zionists who currently control their government. Hate ta break it to ya, but ALL things must change. Even that. The day it comes, Israel will actually ENJOY peace at last, a currently alien concept.

Predicting the future is a hazardous business. Lee Smith is certain that President Obama will not stop the Iranian nuclear program. I am not so sure. Many factors including his desire not to become the enemy of the Islamic world deter him. But there are others beside Israel urging him to stop the Iranian nuclear program. One of these is America’s oil and money darling, Saudi Arabia. Obama is siding with the Sunni Islamists and they do not want a Shiite bomb.
As for Romney I too do not trust any promises. Let’s see him get to the White House before we speculate on what he will not do.

Robert Costa says:

of course he won’t strike. He first has to cure his national budget, better regulate bank affairs, encourage better relations to the European Union, spend less money on wars and invest more in education, research and social wellfare.

Robert Costa says:

nonsense, Iran will never attack. Israel has its own nuclear boms to “retaliate”. Netanyahu is a paper tiger, a shouting war agitator, and a dangerous anti democrat who risks the lives of his own population.

If catholics, evangelicals and jewish people knew what Mitt Romney believes he would have virtually no support. People need to spread the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGFAph3lWqw

noll janet says:

Maybe an American president won’t attack Iran be we sure as hell will protect Israel when they do.

Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has called on the United Nations to assume a more decisive role in creating a nuclear-free Middle East.

Rachael says:

OK, lets see. To me what I am reading is that Israel wants the US to go to war against Iran. Well the US and Israel formed the Islamic Republic and backed it to begin with and Israel supplied weapons to the Islamic Republic in its war against Iraq while the US was supplying weapons to Iraq. Now Jews in the US are price-tagging Iranian-Americans in the US who hated the Islamic Republic to begin with and wanted the US to back the Shah or at least an Iranian person not Khomeini who oppressed the Iranians. The Jews hate the Arabs but the Arabs are descended from the jewish dynastic lineages as well. the Jews are bigoted about the Iranians because of the Purim, which is about ISHTAR AND MARDUK the fertility dieties of Sidon who rampaged in terroristic attacks against the Persians when the Phoenicians revolted-the Hebrews ARE the Phoenicians. Sounds to me like a big problem that should be resolved by dismantling both Israel and the Islamic Republic, telling the Jewish people who they really are and then find an alternative source of energy so we don’t have to hear about this crap and then maybe we can all live in peace for a change. IT isn’t about whether Iran gets nukes it’s about it’s government-if that was friendly not hostile-we wouldn’t care if Iran had nukes just like we gave nukes to Israel.
-signed I am sick and tired of all the hate and bigotry (and I mean from the jews as well)

Rachael says:

Furthermore, the jews believe that slavery is fine with them and price-tagging people is a ‘public service’. The Jews deny their initial behavior causes their own problems because they believe they are somehow endowed with a supernatural morality when they really don’t care about anyone else and complain about things that happened to them centuries ago and then accuse everyone else in the present blaming them for causing it- their centuries old problems-always holding children responsible for whatever happened and then live a double standard saying we are bigoted if we point that they have conquered and enslaved others. Jewsih people do not acceopt responsibilty for causing the initiation of the Islamic Republic and won’t accept when their own behavior has caused this mess up. I hate THE JEWISH HATE AND THE JEWISH DENIAL!! IT IS SICK AND DISGUSTING!!

Rachael says:

Jewish people want a WWIII that they can blame on all Iranians-they have initiated the war-mongering themselves-they are hateful warmongerers to start with-The quran came from the Torah and Jews know it-It says the same thing-destroy the heathens that the Torah dictates. The Jews created the Islamic Republic to begin with-they hated the Shah and involved themselves with the ‘freedom fighters’ of the Islamic Republic backing them up to start. Israel is a warmongering country with nothing but bigotry to start. What Israel has done to the people indigenous to Palestine is HATEFUL!! I cannot tolerate it-and anyone stands up to Israel against this crap then the jews are called upon through synagogues to ‘price-tag’ those ethnicities or those people. Israel will not tolerate any proper correction-they are warmopnegrering terrorists and they can’t figure it out. They are the Hyksos who originally oppressed the Egyptians and they are the Phoenicians who killed the Persians in the Phoenician revolts. They then call upon their ‘brothers’ to hate those who defend themselves and others against thewir HATE and Slavery.

Jamesrock says:

What if the objective for
911 was never terrorism? What if the attack and events that led up to 911 were
intended to create a ‘virtual nuclear trigger’ capable of destroying the global
economy with ‘one strike’ with the target Iran?

The global economy has been
controlled by those doing this for at least the last century. In a transparent
world and with emerging technologies, their ability to use the ‘Casino Skim’ as
they have to fund what sustains this insanity requires direct control over the
‘cheapest’ hydrocarbons in the world. Those hydrocarbons are in the MENA
region. When I was in Iraq in 1997 and asked how Saddam could make any money
selling his oil to Iran for $9 dollars a barrel during the embargo, the answer
I got was: “It only costs us $1.50.”

We have studied the global
pricing for oil, shale oil, gas and the other discoveries that people are
citing to make us energy independent. They all require that crude oil maintain
a minimum $50.00 a barrel price to justify the cost of exploration and production.

If Israel hits Iran, there
isn’t enough financial cushion left in the global economy to absorb the cost. Our
$15.9 trillion debt now exceeds our $15.7 trillion GDP. I feel strongly that
terrorism has been a sideshow while they re-wrote the laws here and
internationally to protect those doing this as they wreck the economy in the
very near future. Homeland Security was not created to protect America. It was
created to protect those in America responsible for doing this to
America.

The recent global crackdown
on money laundering—why now? Why not with BCCI? The BCCI scandal had one
objective. Cut off the ability of Reagan and GHW Bush to fund Saddam’s war
against Iran with Eagleburger the man who essentially ‘outed’ his boss when he
leaked the activities of the Italian Bank in Atlanta and set in motion what led
to the Gulf War.

What you see happening is
the ongoing consolidation of CONTROL required to continue with business as
usual—or the casino skim globally at the expense of healthy sustainable
communities in a transparent world.

I believe the pre-WWI
staging that led to the WWII Holocaust—in order to secure the state of Israel
and give nation-state protection to those doing this—is why we were hit on 911.
Without the Holocaust, there would be NO Israel. Without 911, there would have
been NO invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan. Those wars bankrupted our economy and now
has the global economy poised to go over a debt-induced cliff—just what is
required to finish consolidating control as we enter a transparent world with
the ‘laws’ put in place that will ensure protecting those doing this to
humanity.

The trial in London that
just exonerated the Jewish Oligarch mega thief Russian Roman Abramovich as a ‘truthful’ witness is best summed
up by the BBC: “Meanwhile, the case has been followed carefully by
Russia’s business community….Commenting on the ruling, Alexandr Shokhin, head
of Russian Unions of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, said: “It’s a good
signal for all Russian businessmen and also power structures – highlighting that
all relations should be built lawfully, on paper, and witnessed by reliable and
independent witnesses.”…..But Vadim Malkin of Transitional Markets
Consultancy said: “It’s bad news for Russian business. The court in
fact has proven that the majority of assets owned by the country’s oligarchs
have very questionable origins.”

Both statements serve the
interests of those stealing trillions. The first goes to the core of my concern
– power structures. The second – questionable origins.

This case underscores the
point I’m making as it relates to realigning power structures to ensure that
the ‘questionable origins’—that funded the trillions required to do what you now
see happening—are never investigated or prosecuted when the pubic realizes how
much was really stolen from them globally.

Note how powerless Putin
appears despite the fact that the Russian people were defrauded of trillions in
wealth that is rightly theirs. Yet, based on privatization “laws” written with
the help of a Harvard advisory team hand-picked by Larry Summers, eight of the
initial nine richest oligarchs qualify for the right of return in a population,
like ours, where less than 2% qualify.

When the State of New York
took unilateral action against the bank in London following the Congress
imposing unilateral sanctions against Iran, that proceeding usurped
international law. Now we see a massive money-laundering investigation leading
to China that will provide those doing this more control over the oligarchs in
China who were created with ‘consensus’ trade policies put in place by assets
such as Bill Clinton.

Akin to producing a movie,
the same Chicago Outfit that produced the presidency of ‘liberal’ Barrack
Obama’ produced the electable persona of ‘conservative’ Ronald Reagan. Not until
Yassar Arafat’s death in France did it become widely known that a former head
of Shin Bet managed the money that the PLO leader hid in Swiss bank accounts.
Rest assured that part of that money traces back to Congressional
appropriations. Their specialty lies in the creation and control of both sides
in any conflict while profiting at every turn off the resulting human misery.
The Cold War segued seamlessly to The Clash as the crisis shifted to the
oil-rich MENA region.

If you go
back to post-Munich massacre period, Golda Meir had the intelligence to stop
that massacre. Letting it proceed was key to establishing what became the Bush
Doctrine Post-911 – go anywhere, kill anyone and to hell with proof anyone has
done anything illegal. This was why they turned remembering Munich into a huge
scandal in London. The timing of the shootings in Colorado, Wisconsin,
Washington DC and Texas were a close pattern but not enough to do a
‘shoulder-to-shoulder’ repeat of Columbine that we saw post-911 with Ariel Sharon.

This year we had
the German athlete leaving the Olympic Village early to capture billions of
eyeball impressions when she announced that she had a ‘white supremacist’
boyfriend who is a German policeman. That came after the Olympic Committee
denied their request to capture the world’s attention with a moment of silence
for the “Munich Massacre.” The White Supremacist theme emerged just days before
in Wisconsin. It is interesting to note that when the Colorado massacre was
reported in Haaretz, it led with,
“Mass murder in US as common as Apple Pie.”

At Entebbe,
the only IDF soldier killed in the raid was Bibi’s eldest brother Yonathan
taken out by a sniper. I believe their own sniper shot him, ensuring Bibi was
cast in the Messianic role that the man was born to play. He is nuts making him
the perfect prime minister for the task. Then you have Bibi’s mother and
father living next door to Condi Rice to bond with her as a teenager who played
a seminal role ensuring that Richard Clark did not get what he needed to stop
911. Instead she was focused on Russia and the Missile Treaty based on her
studies with Josef Korbel her mentor and professor and Madeleine
Albright’s father at University of Denver. They write the script, cast the
players and time the crisis….decades in advance.

And as for
our government – they have surgically dismembered it with no one able to do a
thing to stop them because of a lack of linear proof when their criminality is
nonlinear.

This is not about Iran or
what is being reported. This is a new system of law being put in place with the
old being thrown out and replaced with much of it done by presidential order or
regulation or at the committee level in a Congress they now dominate, with each
new crisis even more contrived and controlled than the one being replaced. Crises
and instability remains the key means by which influence is wielded and the
future shaped to the liking of those doing this in order to advance their
position.

Why Israel required nukes
is consistent with how we were duped into spending trillions defending
ourselves from the Soviets when they were never a threat to us. Now nations in
the MENA region are spending tens of billions on missile defense. What you see
happening with Iran is a microcosm of a plan used very effectively during the
Cold War that in my view has been repackaged and deployed brilliantly in a more
transparent world. Little has changed as to either the dynamics or goals of the
model.

The
creation and abuse of precedent has long been a favorite tool for displacing
the rule of law to steal without liability and commit capital crimes with
impunity. By the time anyone sorts through the subterfuge, the statute of
limitations typically provides protection.

This isn’t about terrorism.
This is vintage Chicago from the era of Al Capone bombing businesses to sell
them protection with the bombers and protectors the same parties. What has
happened to the U.S. looks a lot like a classic ‘bust out’ where the mob takes
over a company, runs up the debt, steals the assets and then burns down the
buildings to collect on the insurance. The threat of “terrorism” has given them
access to every intelligence service, banking system and otherwise off-limits
areas key to total and complete consolidation to protect those who have been
dong this for the last century at a minimum if not longer. The massacre in Norway
and recent shootings in the U.S. are all part of sustaining the same narrative.

Israel will hit Iran and it will not be because of
the nukes. Iran is Israel’s ‘football’ and their nuclear trigger to reshape the
global economy according to the wishes of those who created the Jewish State.
What you see here in the U.S. is nothing but approval with zero ability to hold
them accountable for their prime objective. What you now see is everyone agreeing
that Bibi can go it alone and he will when they are ready to bring it all down
because this was the objective of 911. What led to 911 began with Reagan
with pro-Israelis imbedded on every front key to consolidating control in a
transparent world while SCREAMING victim and Holocaust to hide in plain sight doing this to humanity.

    Saint_Etienne says:

    The loony brigade is out in force today.

      Jamesrock says:

      Do you have any facts you wish to refute? Or are you simply speaking on behalf of the asylum better known as Israel?

        Saint_Etienne says:

        No, I care not for engaging in point-by-point discussions with lunatics. Sorry.

          Jamesrock says:

          You can’t functionally respond because your only defense is the hope the rest of the world doesn’t figure out how insane you really are. You being a true ‘believer’.

          When your only response is everyone else is crazy to mask your game says it all. The truth is a bitch when your beliefs have made you one. Thank you for confirming the validity of my comments with your dysfunctional postings.

The obvious situation will be; Isreal will attack Iran, Iran will retaliate & that includes missles fired at our ships, bases, thus drawing us into a war that could involve other
super-power nations. If Isreal does not attack Iran, then it will be only a matter of time
before Iran does launch possible nuclear warheaded missles at Isreal. This is why Isreal wants to attack Iran now before it’s too late, BUT Isreal must understand they do not have the capability to cause serious damage overall inside Iran and an attack inside Iran will likely be the start of w.w.lll ! Let us all hope n pray that somehow peace will prevail.

Hitting Iran( means): the closure of the Strait of Hormz (means): higher oil price, falling dollar and the collapse of the U.S. economy if America participates in this war and that will lead to World War III, then Israel will then be the new superpower .so any free american should prevent israel from acting unilaterally

    Saint_Etienne says:

    Boy, this scenario makes comic books sound like serious policy papers.

    eric1210 says:

    Is that supposed to be a joke? You think Iran can just close the Strait of Hormuz against the international community? Scratch that…forget the UK, France, Germany, Turkey, Spain, etc. You think Iran can just close it against the United States of America? HA HA HA. That is laughable. The second Iran even attempts to close it militarily Iran will be finished (and I don’t mean economically). Iran knows this. Iran’s best chance at success is to completely cut off all oil sales to the West, even if that means taking a massive short term economic loss. It seems that Iran is likely to survive economically even if they cut off their own oil sales (they have contracts with several countries around the world that should keep them afloat). That, coupled with the actual war, will send prices in America to $10/gallon. America won’t be able to sustain that for more than a few weeks. Also take into account the cost of the war. America’s economy will collapse having to deal with the terror organizations as well and monetary support of Israel.

    In regard to Israel: they will never, ever be a superpower. Just demographically speaking, they are way too small. Furthermore, their man power and number of air force and navy personnel is no where near what a superpower should be. They may have quality but in today’s technology age, quality will only take you so far against quantity. Do you really believe the Israeli air force could take out the American air force? It is virtually impossible. That is just one of the reasons it is impossible for Israel to become a superpower.

craigbhill says:

Israelis simply have to learn they will relatively soon not be the hegemonic nuclear power in the Mediterranean. The US has bigger fish to fry—Russia—than protecting that Israeli domination. There will never be an Iranian attack on Israel, it would be self-jihad to attack and destroy Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock. It is amazing the ignorance and stupidty of the “commentators” who can not grasp this reality. Israelis are 100% safe with a nuclear Iran.

The reason the US has restrained Israel for going on 8 years from attacking Iranian nuclear facilities is its long process of showing Iran it has protected them from Israeli attack and the destruction of Iranian nuclear capability, so that Iran eventually becomes an ally of the US and allows at least one huge offensive US base in Iran as close to the Russian border as possible, AND to get Iran to cut off oil shipments to both Russia and China.

The evil myth Jews run US foreign policy is unmasked. For all the hatred of Jews this myth has engendered, Israel should ultimately be grateful. Get used to being one of two nuclear powers in the region, which will cause your politics to soften towward the Palestinians, and to stop treating them like the Nazis did to Jews living tortured lives in the Warsaw ghetto.

    Jamesrock says:

    The distinction between Zionists and Jews needs to be made. Any form of extremism is a threat to civilized societies. Zionists and Islamic fundamentalists have a great deal in common – zero respect for human life and International law. The Jewish Community at large are not responsible for the Zionists any more than that a handful of extremists in a community of nearly a billion people who share the Muslim faith. Yes the Zionists have hijacked US Foreign Policy but this cannot be characterized as a myth unmasked or hatred toward Jews because of their faith. What is required for sustainable healthy communities is we deal with facts. The source of racism and bigotry is ignorance. All of us need to refrain from blaming a people for what a few within their communities are doing with their ‘beliefs’ if we are going to stop what a few have done that now jeopardizes all of our communities.

      craigbhill says:

      I agree. As i wrote, Israelis per se are not zionists, so should not be referred to blanketly as such. Likewise, Jews are not necessarily Israelis. So when addressing Israelis, vs zionists, vs Jews, each particular term should be used accurately.

      I disagree tho with your assertion Jews are not responsible for their zionist government. There is a strong anti-zionist community in Jerusalem that hates their government, as well as anti-zionist orthodox Jewish schizmatics, of a sort, who live in the US and who strongly condemn the Israeli government as pure evil. However, they either have allowed zionists to take control and keep it for decades, or they have willingly aided them to. Either way, Israelis are the responsible parties for the existence of the occupants of the Knesset, they are not innocent like the Palestinians, who never raised.a finger to support zionism, and have screamed bloody murder against zionism for decades. IOW, the israelis are as responsible for their evil government as Americans are for its. Likewise, Americans can’t blame their misery on the Indians, or any other innocent victim. THEY are the responsible party for thier government.

      Buddhists assert we are each RESONSIBLE for our immediate environment, politically as well as ecologically. If we don’t like the government, it is up to us to do everything civil we can to change it, and until we change the government’s course, WE are responsible for their occupation of it. That holds as true for Muslim lack of pressure on their corrupt governments.

      Zionists have NOT hijacked American foreign policy, at least not any longer, especially as regards Iran. Please reread my numerous comments explaining why. As you said, bigotry cannot exist outside ignorance; also, ignorance of such facts, above, is often based on the most superficial bigotry.

senora says:

“History’s lessons”, what a selective pick. Biggest lesson for Iran: the US is not to be trusted. They interfered in Iran’s internal affairs by helping the corrupt Shah regime into power, they helped Iraq when it attacked Iran. In that war Iran lost more than 500.000 people a.o. due to being attacked with chemical weaponry of mass destruction that was based on western technology. It is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons or under such umbrella, it is threatened with a pre-emptive strike by a 1 million household country with nuclear arms, an extreme right religious leadership, and a history of agression and oppression of anything not-jewish. It has to allow two nuclear aircraft carrier groups near its territorial waters. Imagine the iranian versions of those in international waters in front of NY and LA. Iran has recently seen an all time high in US weapons sales to its arab neigbours. To quote Iran’s president speech of Aug. 29 2012: “I stress that the Islamic Republic has never been after nuclear weapons and that it will never give up the right of its people to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Our motto is: _Nuclear energy for all and nuclear weapons for none_” and “A bitter irony of our era is that the U.S. government, which possesses the largest and deadliest stockpiles of nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction and the only country guilty of its use, is today eager to carry the banner of opposition to nuclear proliferation.”
And a simple method of keeping the Strait of Hormuz open: buy some oil from Iran.

Tirusew says:

This article is garbage.

bfreesun says:

“General nuclear deterrence. If you can kill Americans without any consequences and the Americans will in fact collaborate in covering up your malfeasance, you can certainly build a nuclear weapons facility without too much concern that the Americans are really keeping “all options on the table”; the White House is not and almost surely never will—no matter who’s calling the shots.”
Certainly that was the case with Israel when they sank the USS Liberty and went on to develop their own nuclear weapons

HarryPotter says:

Is a nuclear Iran with it’s current Islamic regime not acceptible ? Normal, a Islamic theocracy wants Israel to be destroyed. But how about an Iran with a secular government with a regime who separates religion and politics? Don’t you think it worth a try?

Since several years, there have been many scenarios about a possible US/Israel strike against Iran. And even in Israel military experts believe that this would just delay their program for about 2 to 4 years and reinforce even more their determination to restart again.

So don’t you think that instead of planning a war, a regime change would be a pretty more reasonable option and a long term solution? During 2009, students and Iranians youths were highly mobilized and protested against the dictator regime, though they were severely tortured and muzzled. But Obama said nothing.

The potential of a regime change with open-minded people exists in Iran but there should also be a real determination in Western world to go for it. And that’s even a more interesting question : Is this what the western world wish to have?

Iran probably does not have any sort of nuclear weapon program. There is no actual information to guarantee that they have it. I remember the bush admin going to war with afgahnistan for having “weapons of mass destruction”. We all know that was a lie. This whole nuclear weapon program of Iran is a lie as well.

Sure, they have a nuclear power program and have made several nuclear power plant, but that does not mean they have any nuclear weapons.

Aghasaheb, says:

Why all us presidents are becoming mad, after became in us presidents house, why they are working for a small group, so-called Jewish lobby of the world ? You cant answering this questions..Why CIA is failure agencies of the
world? The CIA has Critical Condition with the” FREEMASONRIES,” from
early 1988’s. The Freemason is:
The Freemasonry is a big Fraud & Lie’s

group of human, from more then Four Hundred
years back. They are not believed in
Humanity. They were very small group & small
minded people. Their mind was
Stuked. They can not thinking about humanity,
The Foolish persons are member of
this organization’s they are Thinker
Thieves. They are kind’s thieves of mind
person. They are looking Like Mad men’s. There
is nothing in it. It’s a group of
business men’s… THEY ARE MONEY PHOBIA. They has no
politic, &
no
religion’s. They don’t know About ABCD of
POLITICS. They show’s that they are
Aristocrat or Barricade, or very Gentlemen, or
very Sharp. Can you believe or
Not, that, by GOD they are Nothing, they
are very poor persons. We are laughing
on them. They waste four hundred Golden
years for NOTHINGS… HOW can they
Answered the GREAT GOD. They are going To
HELL… They are negative thinkers.
They are very small people of the world
community. They are very cheap men’s you
can say, its like Spy’s of humanity. Spy for economic, spy of
4000 Deming’s
religious group, (Like Watchtower, Awake, Ahmedi’s, Qadyan’s, Baha’i s, etc.)
Or they are Father
of Atticism group
of the world. They make Fools each
others. Spy the
other nation for own. They are living on
LIE’S history. They use man or women
weakness, It’s only a Crazy CLUB. Their activity
looks like mad man activity.
Their activity are under ground, Like
Jewish, Zionist, Anarchist, Like
Israeli’s. They use Awareness for their dirty
games. They use person as a
Tools. Their activity looking like Animals or
a joker’s, or like half mind mad
men. Their mind will be STUKED they think
that they are from Royal families but
they are from Third CLASS Family’s. They
say’s LIE’S IN THEIR Life Lie’s is
their Base. They have no Character they are
CHARACTERLEES .They use Their Evil
& Devil personality for their inner.
They know that who can they confuse you
or give you in
depressions or in Fear, They have no realign, no themes, they are
Sadist people of the World, they are
belonging to animal habits. Why all way’s,
they are in fear’s. Their minds are not
more then 12 years boy’s minds. They are
Happy like a boy’s happiness. We can say
them… “Easy Come, Easy GO, Don’t
Worry, and Be Happy… “Why the people around
the world don’t like their
attitude and behavior and what can we do to
change it. The Freemason is Out of
date & also
Expired Organizations from 1970’s, more then Forty Two years
back…
After all that is the image of Freemasonry. They
are also belong To
Apes, & Pig’s
race from hundreds years. It’s a big Fraud of our
Century, The poor mind people are becoming
member of this ” FREEMASON ” out
of date org; Why they are all ways in a
big depression, in panic , puzzled,
and have no humanity foundation : The
Americans Freemason Nation are belong to
Homosexual . They are Free of Mind. Why? The Americans
Nation are also
belonging to Homosexuals. ?…
Can you believe that Israel End’s becoming soon. ? After Two wars with
Hezbollah &
Hamas, the Third
war is will be finishing point
of Israel. in 2012, ( This war takes ’11’ Eleven Golden days only in
Autumn. This War is starting on ” Saturday ” Morning, and ‘ END
‘on ” Thursday,” evening i.e.,
252 Hours only. ) You must see the film ” THE
MEN WHO SAW TOMORROW ” Good
by
Israel for ever.!..
The Terrorist & Tourists are same
for
Saudi Arabia, &
Holy Israel. !
ALSO The Terrorism & Tourism are same for USA,
UK, &
Israel’s.!
The
Poor Indian cant do any
thing
in this world. &
Poor Pakistani’s are also cant do any
think, because,
they are always fighting with each other,
from 60 years all countries of the
World are fighting with each other, Their is
no need of Army in the World, The
World with out Army is so nice for whole World &
all nation’s. As “World
with
out Israel, ”
or ” World With out
Foolish
American’s,” or ” World With
out
Evil
British, ” They are
Evil &
Devil of the Earth. The “WHOLE
NATION’S OF
THE
WORLD ARE Need’s,”. As look
like, “THE WORLD WITH OUT ARMS;S & ARMY.
” is so
good.
THE
CIA + DIA + NSC +
NSA + DOD +
ONI + FBI + MI5 + MI6 are done the
9/11, FAILURE Projects of The WORLD..
The Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good
for
Israel.
(Zionism). Why not? They
are
Killed SEVEN (7) Seven
millions Muslim’s. ( The 30 years Afghanistan
Wars, 10 years US, Iraq
War, US,
Pakistan War,
8 years Iraq, Iran Wars, 60 years
Israel, Arab Wars,+ Israel,
Palestine
Wars,
Bonsai Wars, Muslim in
African Countries Wars , in
Central Asian Wars, and so many others Muslim Countries Wars. etc.)
WHY?. Whom are behind these wars. ? We knows very well.!. GOD
help us. ?
The
Target KILLING, and Suicide Bombing are in
Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan , now a days a others play-by-play dirty games are going in Syria, but Syria will be their
Graveyards for them and
also other puppet Muslim
Countries. This other Holy war are Starting by Christian ZIONIST, American’s, and other
Agents, Like MI-6, CIA,
MOSSAD, ISI, Raw
Agents, Wahhabi;s Seven sisters, Saudi Arab
Agents, Ahmedi’s, Qadyan’s, Baha’i, Mirzae’s, Agents, few
afghan’s, puppet
Taliban’s,
( Afghani & Pakistani. ), Watch tower, Awake,
Black water, Christian’s,
Christian Zionist, puppet Al- Qaeda, & Taliban’s, some Pakistani’s, Bloch’s, The Jordan Kings
Agents, some Hindu Kashmir’s, and so many
Pakistani agencies Agents, Like ISI IB, FIA, ISI Agents, FIU, MI,
You can say ALL Pakistani Agencies,
working for Jewish Lobby, They Anarchy’s
are going controlling The World Politics,
from 60 years. It was a madness of
nonsense people, who are responsible for these
huge wars of third world
countries. Its result is being coming soon. The 134 months of war are
going very badly,
after this 444 MONTHS more
needs for the END OF THIS HOLY WAR. The All agencies, OF
THE WORLDS, &
All
countries of the World are Failed in WAR Politics IN the
Worlds.
Thanks

Austin siding says:

Should I have to worry about future maintenance costs after
purchasing these products (painting, cleaning, etc.)? Replacement windows Austin

Austin siding says:

Should I have to worry about future maintenance costs after
purchasing these products (painting, cleaning, etc.)? Replacement windows Austin

Austin siding says:

Should I have to worry about future maintenance costs after
purchasing these products (painting, cleaning, etc.)? Replacement windows Austin

Carpet cleaning Reno NV says:

To make a carpet brighter, sprinkle salt onto the carpet and
let it stand for an hour before vacuuming it up. Carpet cleaning Reno NV

Bullshit, Iran is no more a threat than North Korea. If Israel attack I hope they get fucked up by the Arabs. Islam unity ftw!

This is the bottom line coming straight from the Khalifa. You gavurs believe in Karma right? This is from Islamic divinity. America and Israel are seriously slated to be destroyed totally. The only way America and Israel get spared is if the become servants of Islamic-Osmanli goals and needs. Meaning, America and Israel have ONE chance at redemption and survival. Destroy Iran. Iran called America the great Satan thinking they were fooling Muslims, Turks and ALLAH when WE KNOW that Iran is the nation of Shay-ton. We KNOW. Iran didn’t fool anyone by putting Islamic in front of their national name. This is directly from a Turkic-Djinnati and from the now unhidden and realized Islamic Khalifa. You Americans and Jews will serve the Osmanli Islamic Empire by destroying Iran in a nuclear blitzkrieg. Meaning you will genocide Iran and persians. In exchange, your karmic records get expunged, in western terms. If you don’t do this, the djinnati stay on track and kill America and all Jews instead. Make your choice, you can be on the winning side and genocide the nation you really really really hate, or you can accept your destiny and be destroyed by ALLAH. It is not a hard decision.

2000

Your comment may be no longer than 2,000 characters, approximately 400 words. HTML tags are not permitted, nor are more than two URLs per comment. We reserve the right to delete inappropriate comments.

Thank You!

Thank you for subscribing to the Tablet Magazine Daily Digest.
Please tell us about you.

Why Romney Won’t Strike Iran

The three factors that explain why a Republican president is no more likely to stage a pre-emptive attack

More on Tablet:

Wolf Blitzer Explores His Jewish Roots

By David Meir Grossman — CNN host visits Yad Vashem and Auschwitz for the network’s ‘Roots’ series